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0000038484 00000 n Thats a huge jump and even a smidge higher than the Powercor network wide average of 89%. I am surprised to hear that Powercor has allowed you to increase your exports, but that is good to hear. 0% But you probably would not recover the cost of the battery within its lifetime. My assumption is (and I may be wrong after all) that the idea of using my own energy first before buying from the grid is an illusion, and in fact it only appears like that because all the energy from the inverter (up to 5kW) is measured as exported, all energy required by the house is actually imported from the grid (as if there was no solar system at all), and it is just because the exports are offset against the imports for billing, why it appears that my PV system is reducing the imports. Activities part of Powercors Solar Hotspots program carried out over three months included upgrading infrastructure, adjusting tap settings on street-level transformers, balancing voltage levels on powerlines and various tweakery at zone substations. Swearing revenge, he began his lifelong quest to reduce the harm the environment could cause. xref 253 I can also see specific profiles for other grid networks, such as Ausgrid and Ergon, that likely have specific requirements of the inverters. Website link shows system producing well over 10 kW. In addition, all modern solar inverters must comply with AS4777.2015 at least. Australian network service providers (including CitiPower) use solar export limits to keep voltage levels in transmission lines operating within safe . More information about the program and how customers can get the most out of their rooftop solar is available at www.powercor.com.au/solar-energy Still, few people will want more than the 13.33 kilowatts of panel capacity single phase homes can generally install: The Bad: Homes with single-phase power on the main grid can have up to 5 kilowatts of inverter capacity but can usually get around this limit by installing an export limited solar inverter of up to 10 kilowatts. I have a 10kw Solar Edge inverter limited to 5kw. So having a powerwall is way less useful for helping with an export limit than you would think. Unfortunately, SAPN wont allow more than 5 kilowatts of inverter capacity on an SWER line. One thing I find is that Voltage control works well: instead of the inverter resetting if the voltage gets too high, my inverters roll back output, so it actually helps my neighbors too because their inverters reset less often. Instead the home can benefit from a small system, as I explain here: Ah yes I see. A rooftop solar system's grid export limit is determined by the local electricity network operator - sometimes on a case-by-case basis, sometimes according to an across-the-board standard, and . At the time of the powerwall install I also had the Gateway installed at an extra cost so I could keep using the generated power from the powerwall and during solar production when the powergrit fell out without danger for the grit workers because the Gateway instantly falls and prevent power to the grit. The inverter reduces the amount of electrical energy supplied by the solar panels. And, no matter how powerful, the members of the legislatures imagine themselves to be, and, no matter how trump-like, they are, they can not stop the future. ACTs EvoEnergy Network Area: Covers most homes in the ACT, especially in built-up areas. As your sister can presumably export as much power as her solar inverter can produce it wouldnt need this device. &K?BK:T$A1Cn We might still be willing to do this all the same, from an environmental viewpoint. In writing I was advised: We do not prevent customers from installing solar for their own self-consumption. So, I am pretty much left in the dark about whether all the energy my panels are theoretically producing is being utilised, or (which is my fearful assumption) up to 1.6kW are wasted whenever the panels produce more than 5kW AC. If we consider a home in Sydney where no electricity is used during the day, and all the solar panels face directly north, then the percentage of output that will be lost due to a 5 kilowatt export limit would be: So even in a worst-case situation for Sydney, an 8 kilowatt solar system that is exported limited to 5 kilowatts will only lose 4% of generation. Going solar even if Powercor says 'No' - MASH: Community Solar If so, it would make replacing the whole system more viable which is exactly what I wanted to avoid (and such a waste!). Can I share my power excess with me neighbour? It does this by adjusting the MPPT but instead of working to maximize power from the panels it reduces it. If at any moment in time you are generating more solar electricity than you need, the excess is exported to the grid. Australian Rooftop Solar Powers Rise Astounding, But.. Australias Emissions: Electricity Down, Transport Up, Compare Feed-In Tariffs And Electricity Plans, Solar Export Limiting What It Is & Why Its Useful. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Single-phase properties can have up to 5 kilowatts of inverter capacity, and 3 phase properties can have up to 30 kilowatts. I havent made any applications yet, but Ill certainly be asking this question when I get quotes!. Voltage (V) measured at inverter terminals Now, such a hybrid inverter, as I previously submitted as a post, as being needed, would have the capability of providing for up to 10kW of panels generating capacity, and, of power conversion of up to 10kW, to provide for up to 5kW to provide for charging a battery system, and, the other 5kW to provide for the household load and with surplus (to the household load, out of the 5kW provision) being exported to the grid. Please stay on topic. But you will probably find that there is another setting that it will shutdown when 10 minute average voltage is a measly 255v. I am not even sure the inverter would support that, but I fear that sadly up to 25% of the PV energy might be going to waste! Once voltage thresholds etc are configure in the profile by the Envoy at install, each micro operates largely independently. I have not been able to get an answer from Growatt Australia yet, it seems there is a bit of a cover-up going on. 0000004622 00000 n . AC Output Data All these profiles need to dance carefully around the problem. I was told that as there is an export limit of 5kW and I already have 3.5kW system, my new system will be export limited to 1.5kW. Shane, you appear to be mixing up kW and kWh easily done! In contrast, most other network distributors set a strict upper limit on the size solar panel system you can install, typically 10kW for single-phase properties. The following is a list of the areas in case youve been missed. Hi Everyone, 0000001757 00000 n In my mind though the Smart meter at the box would adjust the export limit in line with what the house is consuming? 0000011077 00000 n Export limiting does limit the inverter output, but only as needed to keep the export power below the limit. With permission export limiting can be used to install larger systems. Finally! Our Solar & Battery Calculator can give an idea of if its likely to pay: https://www.solarquotes.com.au/solar-calculator/. The solar installer or customer must have sought and received pre-approval from us for the requested capacity of the generator. 10kW of inverters with 11.325kW of panels. Here at SolarQuotes, we had been hearing quite a few complaints about Powercors zero export limits. 0000007554 00000 n just wondering if anybody can shed some light on the following, I could not convince him that I knew what I was talking about! Interesting article. 0000008043 00000 n 0000037497 00000 n Solar export limiting, or 'export limiting', occurs most often when there is more power being pushed into the grid than it can handle. This extra meter adds to the cost of a solar system. Powercor is the Distributed Network Service Provider for central and western Victoria, as well as Melbournes western suburbs. Three-phase homes can install up to 15 kilowatts of inverter capacity or 30 kilowatts with export limiting, except in South East Queensland where special permission is required from Energex to install an export limited inverter over 15 kilowatts. Queenslands Ergon network area: All of Queensland on the main grid outside of South East Queensland. I think it is illegal in WA to rewire your inverter or modify any parameters, as it may result in more than 5kW being sent to the grid, so I will just bite the bullet and see that I use as much solar as possible. No matter how badly you may want to export limit your solar system, it can only be done in locations where its permitted. Or is there a build up of voltage in the system? Why my Power Limit is set to ON with the % whereas her Power Limit is set to OFF and she has been exporting. For example, our Solar Enablement program is intended to allow more customers to connect a 5kVa solar PV system with export capacity. I realise that Australian legislatures do not care about the future, but, the future is coming, whether the legislatures like it or not. But, if you are really keen, I suppose you could use a site such as PV Institutes Live PV Map to see how other solar systems in your general area are performing: Note that patchy cloud can produce a lot of variation in output. 0000009027 00000 n Powercor households stand to save even more with solar This applies to both single-phase and three-phase properties. When an inverter is export limited, it has to know how much solar energy is being sent into the grid so it can immediately reduce output if its about to go over the limit. If youre not satisfied with what answers our calculator gives, let me know your figures for grid electricity and solar feed-in tariff and Ill come up with an estimate for you. 100% Finally, there are profiles for other countries that run 220-240V networks, and its remarkable how many of them use the older AS4777.3:2005 standard in their countries, because for many of these countries, this is the only profile the Envoy offers. Im on a swer line in rural south Australia. Households and small businesses that generate electricity using solar panels, wind turbines, or other small-scale generators, can feed back any unused electricity into the electricity grid for other customers to use. Powercor will respond in one of three ways: Approve the size system you've requested Limit the amount of power you can export to the grid (e.g. While losses increase as the solar power system size goes up, even with 10 kilowatts of panels which is twice the export limit, only 13% of generation is lost. <]/Prev 115522/XRefStm 1575>> Energex doesnt automatically allow inverters over 5 kilowatts to be installed with export limiting, but currently regularly grants permission for single-phase homes on the main grid to install up to 10 kilowatts of inverter capacity with export limiting. I got a question about export limiter that I hope to get some answers from the community. The daily export limit is averaged across your billing period (calculated by multiplying the number of days in your billing period by your daily export limit of 14 kWh). But there will often be times when the solar system will produce more power than can be exported, so some energy will be lost3. I also dont know if my meter has limiting but suspect not as it is a pretty dumb device. No active system controls whether you use inverter of imported power. I was lucky to have an early approval, so limited to 10Kw (or due to bad calculation by the approver, 8.6Kw, where he said ALL the Neutral current went down the common Neutral wire, where in fact only the difference between the phases goes down the Neutral (2 phase, 180 degree). My sister has the same type of inverter (Goodwe) but she lives in the Estern suburbs of Victoria and she has been exporting but her Power Limit was set OFF. And, if a street full of these, plugs their cars into the grid, for recharging, starting the recharging between 1700 and 1800, lots of entertaining fireworks, along the street powerlines exploding. Thanks Ronald! But you may as well just get a standard inverter and send your excess electricity into the grid. 0000027694 00000 n 0000028638 00000 n Even if you have the Envoy-S, I believe at least on paper there was a Enphase Envoy-S The reason why your sisters inverter is different from yours is your Goodwe would be because yours has a current transformer device that lets it limit the amount of power it exports to the grid. The infrastructure is not sufficiently flexible to deal with this. But if you had a larger solar system with a larger inverter that was export limited to 5 kilowatts it could potentially supply 2 kilowatts to your home while exporting 5 kilowatts to the grid. You could approach SAPN and ask for special permission to install more solar capacity on an SWER but I would not be optimistic about that. 0000038030 00000 n Its also worth taking a look in case you shied away from installing solar panels in the past because of the situation now might be the time to revisit the idea. For example, if you are export limited, only the Envoy-S with consumption monitoring can provide this. both said 0000001260 00000 n Long term benefits would be a more energy efficient system. Origin offers 8 cents per kWh until a daily export limit of 14 kWh is reached. Would the gateway signal the micro inverters to shut down one at a time, or to all reduce output equally? (Or at least it will be expensive to set up well. So my understanding of the info above is that my inverter will increase production in unison with demand until it hits 5kw? If you dont get under the covers and look carefully at the logs you might miss this, or think it is a cloud coming over, rather than voltage triggered throttling. The standard relating to solar inverters is about to change. 3. Unfortunately, the inverters parameters such as Export Limitation are all password protected, and so far I have been unable to even determine who knows this password. We just applied for pre-approval from Powercor and were given a 0kW export approval which is going to make almost anything we choose uneconomical. JackD 1 year ago. Powercor is telling increasing numbers of households looking to install new systems in this area they will have a zero export limit. Smart inverter settings | CitiPower & Powercor Providing the export limiting is done on the meter current as described above ( not on the inverter output current), you can generate more than the export limit if you are consuming enough power to make up the difference between generation and export limit. essential enrgy in central west nsw (Orange) are generally restricting to max 5kw export limit regardless of 1ph or 3ph: 2 x 3ph residential applications approvals cutnpaste below only difference was one specifically stated APPROVAL/SITE SPECIFIC CONDITION(s): Total Site to be export limited to 5kW 3 phase 1.66kW/per phase (and the padmount sub for the subdivision in on the property boundary) 0000038830 00000 n As has been explained (and COSTED) on previous occasions batteries are VERY cost-effective.IF you stay away from the hi-tech/overpriced/dependence-creating/unproven battery-systems advocated by commercially self-interested parties. Victoria's "Hotest" Solar Postcode is 3977 at last look. After (almost) three months with no reply, has any reason been given, as to why export limited inverters are not allowed for single phase grid connections to the SWIS grid in WA? Plus a Tesla Powerwall 2. 0000010603 00000 n How is export limited for micro-inverters? We are in an area where only about 20% of the homes have solar. I think is is utter madness that the VIC government is handing out generous rebates of $1850.00 and 4 year interest free loans of up to $1850.00 and Powercor has zero feed in capacity for excess solar power. While this is fine during the week when we are open, it seems a huge waste of electricity on the weekends when we are closed. Solar export limits for Adelaide suburbs with most panels under SA Rooftop solar works by turning sunlight into electric power. But youll need to be confident you wont be hit with high demand charges during the evening peak that will wipe out any advantage. After all, Im a big picture kind of guy. Also, given that export limited inverters (supposedly) work the same, regardless of the grid to which they are connected, why is it so, that states have different rules whereby some allow export limited inverters, and, some do not? Yes I do have Enphase micro-inverters and an Envoy gateway, though not enough sunny roof to exceed 5kW, so my interest is rather academic but real. Power failure: Homes hit by solar limits as distributors protect They want to do it there way and it seems my request complicates things for them and I dont hear back, bar a couple. I live in Warrnambool, Victoria. Its only possible to go larger with a zero export limit: https://www.powerwater.com.au/customers/power/solar-power-systems/pv-class-requirements. 1. To give you example, you will probably find the profile you mention is probably throttling from a very low 250v and will ramp down to 20% at 265v. Only residential homes with inverters of 5 kilowatts or less can receive the states. I am trying to get a system installed (6.5k smart hybrid inverter with a battery) and have been told by Western Power that I am limited to a 3.0 kva system. Is it the 6.66 kW, as the 1.3 overload factor of a 5kW inverter, or, is it the maximum allowed (by the manufacturer) panels generating capacity, for an inverter that is allowed by a state/territory government? So far I have not seen much more than 5kW DC anyway, but in summer I would expect to see a curve thats flattened at the top during the high sun phase, as it is cut off by the inverter. While installing solar panels can still be worth it under these conditions, its a disincentive, increases payback time and is generally a pretty crappy state of affairs. Even if I were exporting 100% of it, it still would only bring down my bills by a tiny amount per month. As a single example, the Renault Kangoo ZE van (I think that it is the only battery powered cargo van currently available in Australia) has a 33kWh battery, and, To go further, Kangoo Z.E boasts a Z.E 33 (33kWh) battery, Note that connections off the main grid are usually far more restricted. Do you know the situation here? So the solar inverter has to have its own energy meter installed in your switchboard one that talks to the inverter to tell it when power sent into the grid reaches the export limit. But depending on our network capacity, export constraints may influence the size of the unit they install. The installer has been able to get the system through WP in the past as the inverter can limit the export to grid to 3kva. While I dont know where you are a 4 kilowatt solar system should produce an average of around 18 kilowatt-hours a day in WA. The fact is that Powercor does not set an upper limit on the size solar panel system you can install, up to 30kW. Also, if you are on the main grid the amount of power you are allowed to export can still be below the limits given or even zero, depending on how much additional solar capacity the local grid can handle at your location. The good news is, even in a worst-case situation, the amount will be fairly minor. Please make sure you engage early with our team through eConnect to check on network capacity for your customers. The uptake of solar has surprised the powers that be so they are basically wasting free energy and penalizing the producers in the process. 5kW export limiter imposed on one inverter. Ronald Major upgrades supporting more solar exports for homes in Victoria's It would definitely be better if we didnt need to limit the amount of power solar systems sent into the grid. What is 'zero exports' or 'export limiting', why is it affecting I have a 14kW solar array running Enphase IQ7+ microinverters (43 of them) hooked up to the grid in a 3-phase configuration in the Endeavour Energy area in NSW, and they currently have the profile AU default AS4777.2:2015 30kVa, Vv, Vw set. 44% leading So if an inverter that is export limited to 5 kilowatts is providing 8 kilowatts of power, none of it will go to waste provided the home is consuming at least 3 kilowatts at the time. There are two options: 1. Finally! As discussion of the topic of export limiting, is continuing, what,if any, is/are the direct effect differences to electricity grid load (as in the load on the wires, not the load as the term used for meaning demand), between a 5kW inverter, and a 10kW inverter with 5kW export limiting? And yes 5kW export limit applies May I suggest an extra fact check to polish the valuable story above? So, if a contractor or tradesman, using one of these during the day, or, another type of worker, gets home after work, and, plugs one of these in to charge, an immediate drain of 7 kW (I believe that it is actually 7.4 kW), and immediate significant drain is imposed on the grid, for several hours, during peak demand. Put down your weapons.3. Generally however, I can advise that Powercor intends to upgrade the network over the next 5 years, starting in January, however, the specifics of where upgrades are happening and the order has not been decided. Generation sources can be, but are not limited to solar, wind and batteries. Metered and a non metered version. A small solar system can be financially viable. Because you dont see the rather obvious shutdowns (or see them less), you might not notice your solar might be throttled back on a regular basis. We have had solar for 6 years and just recently moved homes. 0000005986 00000 n Powercor program works to increase solar export capacity for 50,000 Will this mean any additional system would be limited to 0kW output?? 220 306 0 obj <> endobj To get your quotes, please enter your postcode: AEMC: Electricity Prices To Continue To Fall, http://www.johnrogers.com.au/battery_charging_noon.jpg, http://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/kw-and-kwh-what-is-the-difference/, Why Australian Solar Installers Love Austrian Fronius Inverters, Tesla Powerwall Price Takes A Tumble In Australia, "Snail Mail" Home Battery Offers: Be Wary, New Minimum VIC Solar Feed-In Tariffs Locked In, Glenrowan Solar Farm Construction Gets Cranking. Or is the energy produced by the panels but dissipated somehow? How do I get around this with SAPN , am I allowed to export limit on a swer line in Sth Aust. Point Cook Solar limit export to zero by Powercor - Solar PV discussion Below is the email response I received from Powercor. AS4777.2:2015 has some rather low default recommendations, which can be tweaked up as no doubt my profile has allowed. Or, if you want a lower cost method of dealing with blackouts, you can get yourself a small generator. I want about 10Kw of panels so I can run pumps etc. But if people send a lot of power into the line then the voltage at the far end, instead of being lower than at the sending end, becomes higher. About CitiPower and Powercor FACT SHEET: SOLAR EXPORT APPROVAL Set appliances to use your solar power Maintenance and safety checks are important 0000010080 00000 n Sorry Andrew: NQR. You could have mentioned that SWER stands for Single Wire Earth Return and why that matters. That would provide both export limiting, and, the incorporation of a battery system (for my household, if we would have a 6.6 kW panels generating capacity system, rather than the 5kW one that we have, something like the BYD LVS 20 or 24kWh battery tower, would, I believe be appropriate), which would provide for energy arbitrage, smoothing both power exported to the grid, and, power imported from the grid, especially during peak demand periods. If they face in two or more directions, it will further reduce the losses by reducing the peak solar output while stretching it out, so it lasts longer through the day. (2nd one APPROVAL/SITE SPECIFIC CONDITION(s): Total Solar Export must be limited to 5kW). Is this default, or would it be programmed in if the distributor required it? Typically in the Powercor area, the export limit is 5kW of exports for each single-phase household solar PV system. Now, that would help protect electricity grids, especially, the fragile, decrepit SWIS grid, for the present. sonnenBatterie Evo. Exporting surplus solar power is good because it reduces fossil fuel generation and pays you a feed-in tariff that reduces electricity bills. 0000038218 00000 n Wyndham new Solar - powercor's zero export limit - Solar PV discussion 306 47 Can anyone shed any light for me? If a home cant export any power at all then there is no financial reason to install a large solar system. ), Finally understand, the article above is very well written for the layman I believe it must have been set up during installation, but the installer company claims that this is handled by Growatt themselves. What am I missing? Some battery powered cars can not be programmed to only recharge at particular times of the day, and, so, if someone drives one to work (that is, if and when battery powered cars become affordable to the working class) and home after work, then puts the car on the charger, the drain to the grid, that would consequently occur, during peak demand hours, needs to be covered. My question is should that then eliminate the 5 kw inverter of the powerwall wich Energex claims is part of the 10kw allowance on a single phase?